99 thoughts on “Discussion 7

  1. One of my husbands’ favorite paintings is “Gargoyles” by Michael Parkes. It entices different feelings for each of us, holds different meaning for each viewer. The painting is that of a girl who is stepping on a ledge, having dropped her teddybear and jumprope to the ground, either blowing bubbles or playing with an orb. The gargoyle is leaping to catch one of the spheres as it floats past. Is the young girl in danger and the gargoyles are protecting her, is she causing the creature to jump intentionally? The image creates so many different stories to be told from the different characters of the portrait. The emotions elicited from this picture changes for each viewer and possibly with each viewing.

    Have any of you seen or felt poetry in a painting or other medium of art? Have you seen other poems besides those in our text that were written based on a form of art?

    1. Probably the most famous poem that tries to be its own visual art is George Herbert’s “Easter Wings,” which is supposed to look like angel’s wings. Herbert lived from 1593 to 1633 in England. You can check out that poem here
      https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173626
      Another fun example is “The Mouse’s Tale” from C. S. Lewis’ Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. The poem uses a pun on tale/tail. You can check it out here
      https://wonderingminstrels.blogspot.com/2000/11/mouse-tale-lewis-carroll.html

  2. Being young is so glories! Full of life living without a care. As a young adult you feel untouchable almost immortal. Then you find the love of your life, make a commitment in getting married, have children which is the biggest commitment you will make, and a new life blossoms. The old life style goes straight out the door just like that. Being young and free has be executed, you have a new responsibility of nurturing a child. Your new life has begun of being a parent and your old life of being young and irresponsible is over. This new life that you are about to embark upon will be amazing and rewarding. Not only have you begun a new life but your life will carry on through your child. There will always be a part of yourself that lives on through your children. This will be your most rewarding achievement in life!

    I’m writing my paper on Donald Hall’s poem “My Son My Executioner” through explication and analysis of the poem this is my greater end. This is how I decipher the meaning of the poem in a whole, in my conclusion. Any response or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

    1. Brandon-
      I really like your introduction and topic of your paper. It really caught my attention, but where is your thesis statement? What is your main body going to be about? I wasn’t too sure what poem you are using in this paper, so maybe if you added that to your introduction it will give the readers a better understanding of what poem you are relating your paper too. All in all, I really like the topic.

      1. It might be a good idea to end this paragraph with an introduction to the poem as Tasha suggests. Then your following paragraph can get into the poem.
        From this introduction, I would expect your paper to discuss these ideas in relation to the poem in a similar order as they are expressed here. Is this hint of nostalgia for youth though excitement for the future expressed in the poem? Your introduction makes it seems that the youth to adulthood process is abrupt and a definite break. Does the old lifestyle really cease to exist? Can you work on a phrase more meaningful than “goes straight out the door just like that”?

  3. The Blush of Loves Flame
    The ties that bond are not age dependent. Some love grows stronger with the passing of time and feeling this inevitable end growing near for some makes the love they share that much more sweet. Like fruit on the vine, love matures with age and is to be enjoyed when it is at its most ripe. Like the fruit, love also dies. That is why I enjoyed “That Time of Year Thou Mayst in Me Behold;” it brings to the forefront the affection someone feels for another when they can sense their impending end. I hope that my analysis does this poem justice.
    don’t hold back, let me know what you think.

      1. I like how you choose to add more metaphor to discuss a poem that is packed with metaphor! And your title is enticing. I want to see how you unfold this idea with the metaphors and other figurative language in the poem. I can imagine an almost line-by-line explication with this poem, packed as it is. In writing about this poem, you might consider learning more about the tradition of sonnets, as the form contains much meaning as well. Here is a place to start
        https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/text/poetic-form-sonnet

  4. Real conflict is between truth and lies. By wearing masks, a person is removed from being themselves and into something else entirely. Facial movement is frozen into a state of stoicism that only their body language can speak for. In Paul Dunbar’s “We Wear the Mask”, there is an undertone of slavery and suffering that by claiming to hide their true feelings, their spirit cannot be broken by their enslavers. “We sing, but oh the clay is vile,/Beneath our feet, and long the mile” cements the tone of the poem of a slave’s cry for freedom from their suffering. It also enforces the fact that Dunbar’s family were former slaves and he voices this history in a short but sorrowful prose.

    I hope to draw the figurative uses of “masks” that writers use through their words to voice their feelings and how masks can help in hiding ones true feelings against the world. Maybe some history in slavery in Africa and Islam. Please comment what you think.

    1. I think that this is a wonderful place to start your paper; you will have such a large body of work to draw from. You could reference works by Frederick Douglass or from Harriet Jacobs “Life of a Slave Girl”. The use of literal masks is also an important part of ancient cultures. You could also tie it into the fact that we all wear a mask of some kind to make it through the day. Sometimes we wear it out of choice, such as the mask of a father or wife, but sometimes it is a mask that we are forced to wear, like your role in a job or a team. Projecting peace and happiness in a time of such great pain, like being subjected to slavery, almost shatters my mind.

  5. Have you ever heard someone say what do you think of this painting? How about what do you think the meaning of this painting is? Have you noticed that you may not have the same meaning as someone else? That’s because paintings can have many different meanings and unless you are the artist you do not necessarily know which meaning is true but coming up with your own is creative. Like the painting The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh, their are a couple different meanings of it but it really is the view from his asylum window just before sunrise. Another painting that is pretty famous is the Mona Lisa by Leonardo da Vinci. I have heard different stories about this painting. I was told this was Leonardo da Vinci as a woman, that the woman was his cousin, and that the painting is of someones wife and the gaze she has is meant for her husband. Who knows what the truth is because he is not alive to tell us today and maybe we will never know but the paintings are still around to be admired.

    1. I like what you are getting at. The real meaning behind paintings, or even poems, are not always going to be known. I like that everyone has their own interpretation of paintings though, it lets you see a little more about that person and how they think.

    2. This sounds good, are you going to compare the interpretations of how others view paintings and poems or just stick to your views? Expanding on this thought could be a vast subject!

      1. Kira’s question suggests that your paragraph, as an introduction is working at getting readers interested, but is not working in giving any indication as to the direction of the paper. Will you be writing about these two paintings in the rest of the paper? You start with the idea that every painting can be interpreted in different ways by viewers, so what is your narrowed-down line of questioning? If all paintings are like this, what makes these two good examples?
        I would start writing the rest of your paper, and then come back to this introduction and see what adjustments you can make, or you may at that point revise it pretty fully.

  6. The website, Purdue OWL, describes poetry as: “The artistic arrangement and use of the
    material (aural and visual) aspects of words into particular repetitive and/or serial forms as a
    means to structure a poem.” (Purdue OWL, Eye Training) The visual pattern of a poem is how
    the writer arranged the words on paper. Included in most poems are letters, words, and phrases. It
    is up to the readers to examine and interpret the written art to the best of their abilities. Many
    readers find it difficult to examine all the visual arts in a poem. In the sonnet by William
    Shakespeare, “Let Me Not to the Marriage of True Minds,” the poem celebrates “the marriage of
    true minds” (Shakespeare 582) What Shakespeare is trying to get across to people
    is that marriage is not just about the physical attraction and it is more about two individuals and
    their willingness to be partners in life through all things.

    I like this poem and appreciate the outlook it has on marriage or relationships in general. I think I will have a good time finding the tone, developing a thesis, and analyzing how Shakespeare wanted people to read his sonnet.

    Has anyone read this before any maybe have some questions I could incorporate into my researching?

    1. Here are a couple of corrections I see.
      Your missing a . after (Shakespeare 582) and I think i would use a but instead of and in your last sentence; ….. physical attraction but it is more about two individuals and their willingness…..

  7. Let’s take a walk outside on a cold winter day here in Fairbanks, Alaska and tell me what you see. Do you see snow? Ice? Birch Trees? Now imagine (if you are not already) being so inspired by the visual elements that you have experienced that you felt the need to write a poem about it. Author Robert Frost came across this experience and did just that. He wrote a beautiful poem about what he saw, felt and encountered on a winter day. Our text book states that “his work reflects a love of the New England landscape” (536). This is obvious in one of his most famous poems “Birches” (611) and we will explicate this piece of art to further understand it.

    1. I like your paragraph and the poem you chose. I am considering writing about this poem as well because it inspired me so much with the descriptive language. Are you going to discuss the role of the little boy? What was your take on it?

      1. Thanks Sophia. I, too, felt inspired by the descriptive language. However, I didn’t think about going in depth about the boy until you mentioned it. I just might. If the poem is the canvas and the words the paint, then the boy is the paintbrush, isn’t he?

          1. Great exchange of ideas in this thread! Your introduction is lovely, but I do want to have a different final sentence. The opening part of the sentence works well as a transition, and “we will explicate this piece of art to further understand it” is a good place-holder. But it should be revised once the rest of your paper has unfolded so that you can offer a statement of more specific substance.

  8. Would you read your child a story about Bloody Mary and torture devices? Have you ever heard of the nursery rhyme “Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary?” Then it is quite possible that you have. Now knowing that many nursery rhymes have a dark history, I would still read them to my kids. Children don’t know where the words came from or the moral of the story behind the others, but they love the way they sound. Nursery rhymes are an early learning device that can lead to a love of reading and writing.

    1. Yes, nursery rhymes and fairy tales have a dark undertone, and I am sad that they are not understood like when they first appeared. I like where you are going with this.

      1. I like your intro and my curiosity is peaked. However, I cannot tell if your paper will be about the darker side of nursery rhymes or how they are used as an early learning device. Maybe another sentence to make it clear? Its assignments like these that make me wish we could read everyone’s papers.

        1. In this introduction I see you talking about sound, and the difference between intended meaning and perceived meaning (a topic similar to K Pliska’s above). And then I would expect the paper to be about childhood literacy. I can imagine millions of ways this will lead to discussion of an assigned poem or poems, but I don’t know the general direction of that connection yet. However, that doesn’t make this an ineffective introductory paragraph. An introduction can continue into a second, elaborating paragraph.
          Erin, thank you for the feedback on what you would enjoy and think would be helpful for the class. I’ll take it into consideration when I make revisions. All feedback is always welcome!

  9. Champions live and reign forever. Experienced athletes with a lot of talent in a sport can make a difference in many lives around the world, whether they play basketball, volleyball, football, or running. Most athletes are good role models for younger generations and can inspire others to join sports or just simply living a healthy lifestyle. In the poem “To an Athlete Dying Young” by A.E. Housman, Housman talks about an young runner that could have been a champion cutting his life short and dying at a young age. “The still-defended challenge-sup” (606). The death of this athlete hurt the lives of many, but touched them as well. Athletes can make a difference in many lives whether they played to a young or old age.

    This is a very very rough draft of where my paper is going. If anybody has any new ideas, please let me know.

    1. I really love your topic first of all. Second, I think your sentence structure is impeccable! I wish i could read your whole essay! Great paragraph.

      1. Your paragraph gives the reader a good idea of what drew you to the poem and a general idea of how you interpret the overall purpose of the poem. I wonder what your approach will be to the topic. The poem has a distinct rhythm with unusual syntax (that means the order of words) and a lot of imagery. These are areas you can explore to get at the details of the poem’s position toward its topic of an athlete dying young.

  10. It is said “There are no words, no paints to express all this, only a beautiful dumbness in the soul, life speaking to life.”- Emily Carr; a beautiful dumbness indeed, for one to express the deep pangs waged by life, where average, conversational words generally fail; it is those words that are formed deep within our soul that speak greatest. Great heights of emotions can be expressed through words; dark, light, or like dusk; all can be expressed, and when there is an absence of words, visual art fills its place.

    1. That is a terrific way to describe writing. I have to agree that what the words cause you to feel is what makes them special.

      1. Your paragraph gives us the sense that your paper will focus on close analysis of individual words in an assigned poem or poems. When you say visual art fills the absence of words as a final sentence, you are putting the reader in a situation of wonder (is that a metaphor for imagination?), which can be an effective way to generate interest. A follow-up paragraph would have to start getting into some specifics for readers to continue on.
        I would suggest you look at K Pliska and Tanya Paul above, as they too appear to be approaching the similar topic of the way words or art or images mean things to us in different ways for different reasons.

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